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Monday, March 01, 2010

The Gaze of Love is Something Else

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Irshaad Hussain's resourceful website Islam from Inside recently published an inspiring talk by Professor William Chittick, one of the most prominent scholar of Islamic Mysticism of our time, may God accept his beautiful service. Delivered at the Carleton University, this fascinating talk explores the theme of "The Role of Love in the Qur'anic Worldview" and trust me, its one of the best discourse you can ever hear pregnant with many signposts on the path of ma'arifa (gnosis) of God and Love.

The talk centers around a ubiquitously well known verse in the Qur'an: yu Hibbu hum wa yuhibboona Hu, "He loves them, and they love Him." It's a verse which Chittick has touched upon again and again in his many works and which he turns to with a more focused intent in this particular lecture.

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As I listened to the discourse, I transcribed few selections which I share here, but at the same time I strongly recommend to listen to the talk in full.The audio link is provided at the end of this post.

Professor Chittick begins his lecture by mentioning how a statement by Shams e Tabriz, the famous spiritual master of Rumi caught his attention while he was studying this enigmatic personality. Shams e Tabrizi said "Quran is Ishq-e-Nama, a Love Book".

Now most people who read the Quran, specially now a days may be don't get that expression. So William C. Chittick worked through the worldview that Shams lived in and what kind of notion allowed him to say something like that.

Shams e Tabrizi explains

Most people dont see Quran as a Book of Love. Shams e Tabrizi explains why so many people fail to understand that the Quran is the Book of Love. He says, "The flaw is that people do not look at God with the gaze of Love. They look at Him with the gaze of learning, or the gaze of science, or the gaze of philosophy. The gaze of Love is something else." According to Shams in order to see that the Quran is a Book of Love, we need to look at God with the gaze of Love; not the gaze of jurisprudence, not the gaze of engineering, not with the gaze of neurobiology.

But what exactly is Love?

For us now a days it is an emotion typically understood through the lens of biology or physiology as one of the many phenomena of human situation, a by product of biological processes or social forces. But this, from Islamic point of view, is to begin at the bottom, rather than the top. Rumi contrast the top view with the bottom view in the verse, he says, "For the elect Love is a tremendous eternal light. For the common people love is a form of sensuality."

So in the Quranic worldview Love is identical with the eternal light of God. In order to understand Love we need to begin at the top, with the Divine Reality Itself. Once we know that God is Love and then we hear that God created man in His own image, then we should be able to understand .. if we grasp the reality of Love, we might understand the role of Love in human affairs in the entire universe. 

Two Axioms of Unity
 
To see how Love fits into the Quranic worldview you got to go back to Quran's basic teachings. The most basic of all of these can be boiled down to two axioms, first "there is god but God"; second "Muhammad is God's Messenger." They are known as Shahada or bearing witness, the witnessing and the Shahada is the first act of muslim practice.

Now when you look at the sentence, "there is no god but God" taken on its own, its called the formula of Tawhid. Tawhid means 'asserting the Unity of God'. Its the first principal of Islamic faith.  A typical way to understand God as He presents Himself in the Quran is to place any Name of God mentioned by the Quran.

For example, the Quran says: God is Living, Alive. What does it mean?

This mean that there is nothing alive but God, there is no true life but God's Life and the life that we experience is in fact not true life. If it were true life there would be no death or deaths.

The Quran says that God is Knowing. This means no one truly knows but God. Our knowledge is infact ignorance, masquerading as knowledge. What little knowledge we may have is a gift from God. As the Quran says, "they encompass nothing of His knowledge save as He wills." The Quran says that there is no true reality but God's reality and everything other than God is derived from the Reality of God, always and forever. So that's the first axiom, Tawhid.

The second axiom is "Muhammad is God's Messenger" which also means that Quran is God's message and part of this message I remind you is that God sent Prophets to all human beings, from the time of Adam to the time of Muhammad. Adam was the first Prophet.

So the Quran provides us two basic axioms about the nature of things. First, 'no reality but Supreme Reality', second, 'human beings get access to that Reality only by the Prophetic reality and Scriptures or Messages.'

Creative Command and Religious Command
 
One of many ways the Quran talks about this dual perspective is in terms of two source of Divine Commandments (Amr) issued by God. The first is called the Creative Command (example, 'and God brings the universe into existence'), the second source is often called the Religious Command, by means of theis second sort of command, God issues instruction.

Example of Creative Command, 'When He desires a thing, His command is Be, and it comes into being.' This Command is eternal and its outside of time and God is always bestowing existence.

By means of the Religious Command, God issues instruction, the ten commandments for example. Notice that implicit in the notion of Religious Command is the idea of free will. The religious command is directed at those who have the capacity to accept or reject it. Those who follow the Command is called abdal or servant, servants of God.

The most obvious way in which the Creative Command differs from Religious Command, is in this question of free will. People are free to obey or disobey the Religious Command, but no  one can disobey the Creative Command. From the point of Religious Command, only those who obey are called servants. From the standpoint of the Creative Command, everything is God's servant by definition because God is constantly creating everything with the eternal word, "Be".

We have two sorts of servant in keeping with the two source of commands. First sort are Compulsory Servants, everything in the universe fits into that category. The second sorts are Voluntary Servants, who are also Compulsory Servants but in addition they freely chose to follow the Religious Commands.

The Creative Command is a direct consequence of Tawhid, there is no god but God; there is no creator but God, there is no reality but God, there is nothing that bestows being but God. The statement of tawhid explains the nature of state that God alone is truly Real and everything else is contingent. And He commands things to be and they are. The Religious Command is a direct consequence or corollary of the second half of the shahada, 'Muhammad is God's Messenger'. God's act of sending Prophets brings the Religious Command into existence.

So the Quranic Worldview distinguishes between the realm of being, which is the actual situation of all of reality and the realm of religion in which people are instructed to recognize the fact that they are in fact compulsory servants of God and people are requested to employ the freewill that they have, as little that may be, the freewill they perceive in themselves, they are requested to employ that freewill in appropriate ways, ways appropriate to their servanthood.

Connection

Let me go back to Love and show you what is the connection. In the Quranic Worldview, Love is a single reality, it has different implications depending on how we look at it. From the stand point of Tawhid, Quran's basic axiom, Love motivates the Creative Command.

Why God created universe? Out of Love.

From the standpoint of Prophecy, Love brings the Religious Command into existence. Why did God sent Prophets? Out of Love.

Now, then what exactly is Love?

First, I won't be so fool as to try to define Love, Anyone who has been in Love, knows that Love is indefinable. If its true about human love, its much more true about Divine Love. In Islamic text, almost no one  tries to define Love, because its too close to Being Itself, because its too close to Reality Itself, beyond our understanding.

Nonetheless, numerous books have been written describing the symptoms of the consequences of Love.  Its all yearning. One of the more common ways to sum up the implications of love is to say that Love is yearning for union. The point is very clear. Lovers want to be together. When you are in love, you want togetherness. As a working definition of what Love implies - its a  good one. Its often cited.

At the outset, it seems to me that Quran makes ten basic points about Love. Now the first of these I have already referred to and its simply that God Himself is identical with Love. When the Quran talks about God as Love, the words used: Wud and Hubb, both of them in theology is considered as synonyms. In the usual lists of Divine Names, the 99 Names is al-Wadud is given as a Name of God, from Wud. Al-Wadud - grammatically it means Lover and it also means Beloved. One of those Arabic forms that have both an active participle and a passive participle.

There is no Lover but God and there is none Beloved but God

So that Name which is used in the Quran means that there is no lover but God and there is none Beloved but God. Briefly, God alone is True Lover and God alone is Truly worthy of Love. Thats the basic significance of this Name. Now if we look at God in terms of Himself, as theology does all the time, to say that God is both Lover and Beloved, also means that God is identical to Love Itself.

One of the earliest arabic book of Love from theological and sufic mixed perspective its said, "the root of Love is that God is eternally described by Love. God Loves Himself, for Himself, in Himself. Here Lover, Beloved and Love are a Single thing without division for He is Unity Itself and in Unity things are not distinct."

So the most basic Quranic teachings about Love is that God is identical with Love. Given the fact that God is One, that Love is His own Love for Himself. But the moment we take the universe into existence, we have a different picture, its more complicated. The Quran refers to some of the implications, once we have the universe... in a verse which is quoted more than any other verses about Love. There are lots of verses about Love but this one is the key to much discussion. This is the verse that everyone comes back to. The verse says basically, Yu Hubbuhum, wa yuhubbuna Hu.

"He loves them and they love Him."

Four Issues
 
If you analyze the statement closely, the way its done in traditional text, we have four basic statements. First, 'He loves' - means God is a lover, 'He loves them', means human beings in the context of its object, are God's beloved. The third statement, 'human beings are God's lovers'; and the fourth statement is 'God is the object of their Love'. There are four issues going on here.

If we look at these four statements, are these referring to the Creative Command or are they referring the Religious Command or are they referring to the both Commands? The text maintain that they are referring to both Commands. Here it says, "He Loves them" and its God’s eternal Word. Given that God is Eternal and Unchanging,  His love for human beings are also Eternal and Unchanging.

God loves us long before we were even created. To say this however doesn't mean that human love for is eternal, because God's love for us precedes our existence. But Love, when we use that word, we have in mind usually a two way street. So God's Eternal Love motivated Him to create the universe so there would be someone to Love Him in return.

In the Quran, God's love for the universe and human beings, this Creative Love, is most often called the Rahma, Mercy, Compassion.  The basic meaning of this word Rahma, Mercy (derived from RAHM meaning Womb) is mother's love for her children. There are number of sayings of the Prophet which confirm this understanding. For example the Prophet said, 'Surely God is more merciful towards His servant than a mother is for her child.'

Notice here that this saying can be read, should be read and the reference to God’s love for all things, for all things  in the universe are God’s servants. The Quran makes this point explicitly by associating the universal servanthood of all things with the Name All Merciful, ar Rahman.

The Quran says, "there is no one in the heaven and in the earth that does not come to the All Merciful as servant." Commentaries of the Quran commonly explains that the Name All Merciful, ar Rahman designates in as much as He loves all beings without exception, whereas Ever Merciful (ar Rahim) refers to specific sort of Love. Mercy is a kind of Love, but Mercy and Love are not synonymous. The basic distinction between the two is that Love is Mutual, Mercy only goes one way. God Loves human being, human being can love Him back.

Do human beings have mercy, yes they have. It comes with the Divine Image, but it should be given others. Mercy is a quality which is due to other creatures like ourselves.

Beauty, Jamal and Husna

This verse of mutual verse that 'He loves them' - God's Love is directed specifically to human beings. In this discussion of the object of Love, typically brings in the issue of Beauty, Jamal and Husna.

Beauty like Love is impossible to define, though we all have some idea of what it means. In Islamic text Beauty is typically explained as that which attracts Love, that which is Lovable. People love things because they find them beautiful. But this not an accessory of biology or psychology but rather of direct consequence of Creative Command.

The Prophet expressed the divine root of Love in a very famous saying, "God is Beautiful and He Loves Beauty." So Beauty is there to Love in imitation of God. Now if God is Beautiful, the formula of Tawhid that there is nothing beautiful but God. When God loves, He is loving Beauty. He alone is truly Beautiful, so He is Loving His own Beauty. He loves His own Beauty first by Loving it in Itself and second by Loving it in created things as its reflected in creation. The Quran says, "God is described by the Most Beautiful Names (al-asmaul husna) ." In addressing mankind, the Quran says, "God formed you and He made your form beautiful."

When that verse of mutual love says "God loves them" - it means that God is Loving His own Beauty, reflected in the forms of human beings.

Islamic anthropology, the Islamic notion of human nature is founded on this two parallel statements, one is God Loves Beauty, the other is God Loves them, human being. God Loves human being because they encapsulate and reflect the totality of the divine beauty - that is all the perfections designated by God's Most  Beautiful Names. Human beings alone were created in God's all comprehensive Beauty. They alone were taught all the Names - according to Quran.

The verse of mutual Love says, they Love Him. The human beings Love Him. If your read this in terms of Creative Command, this means that human beings were created to be Lovers. They can not avoid being Lovers. At the same time there is no longer but God, Tawhid. So the root and source of human love is God's Love.

Rumi, among others frequently talks about  human love as the reflection of God's Love in the world. "They Love Him", this means not simply that people love by definition, but also people love God by definition.  They Can not NOT love God and they can not in fact love anything else because all others are the Signs of God, the Manifestations of God, the Creations of God. All things are manifestation of His Beauty. They are the traces and properties of His Most Beautiful Names, so when you love something, you are loving His beauty in reflected form.

If people don't recognize that 'there is no Beloved but God' and if they don't accept that they are servants of All Merciful by definition - this is simply because, as the Quran puts it, "Adam forgot". People have inherited their father's forgetfulness.

And this is precisely in Islamic view, why God sent Prophets. So this brings us to the role of Religious Command. Up until now, Love is built into the Universe, there is no escape from it. From the stand point of Creative Command, God said "Be" out of Love for creatoin. From the stand point of Religious Command, this same Love motivated God to remind people 'who they are' by sending the Prophets. And the role of the Prophets is to bring guidance so that people can recognize God and Love Him in return.

Just as God's Creative Love is identical with the all comprehensive Divine Mercy (ar Rahman), God's Guiding Love is identical with a specific kind of Mercy (ar Rahim) directed towards those who live upto to the innate Beauty of their soul.    

In terms of the Creative Command, God loves human beings unconditional. In terms of Religious Command, His Love is conditioned. The Quran refers to the conditionality of Love and this verse which is addressed to Muhammad, "Say Muhammad, if you Love God, then follow me, and God will Love you."  Although God Loves you in any case, if you want God to Love you even more, then you have to follow Muhammad.

This specific verse provides the rational for Islamic practices for the sunnah (way of the Prophet) simply because Prophet is embodied with the beautiful character traits of the divine. So the Quran says, "You have a beautiful example in God's Messenger." The fact that God's Messenger is Beautiful, is sufficient proof that God Loves Him. So Muhammad should be followed because He is God's beloved (habib Allah). If people do follow him,  they also can become worthy of God's Love. (From the talk by William C. Chittick, draft  and partial transcription)

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Download the Discourse: The Role of Love in the Qur'anic Worldview


Chittick's lectures are a delight to attend as he weaves beautifully insightful tapestries of traditional Islamic thought in a very expressive manner. He also has a delightful sense of humor that comes through in his physical expressiveness and his turn of phrase.You may download the talk from the links below as highlighted:

.. Shorter Mp4 version, Only Talk
.. Longer Mp3 version, with Questions and Answers

About: Professor William C. Chittick

William C. Chittick is a leading translator and interpreter of classical Islamic philosophical and mystical texts. He is best known for his groundbreaking work on Rumi and Ibn 'Arabi, and has written extensively on the school of Ibn 'Arabi, Islamic philosophy, Shi'ism, and Islamic cosmology. Born in Milford Connecticut, Chittick finished his BA at the College of Wooster in Ohio, and then went on to complete a PhD in Persian literature at Tehran University under the supervision of Seyyed Hossein Nasr in 1974.

 "[Chittick’s] books will always remain most important milestones in the study of Islamic mystical theology." - Annemarie Schimmel, author and scholar on Islam and Sufism

".. The range and authenticity of [Chittick’s] books have no parallel in the list of English-language books on Islamic spirituality." - Frederick M. Denny, University of Colorado

. William Chittick’s life and work 
. Professor Chittick Page at Stony Brook Univesity

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18 Comments:

At 1:55 PM, Blogger Aliya said...

"The flaw is that people do not look at God with the gaze of Love. They look at Him with the gaze of learning, or the gaze of science, or the gaze of philosophy. The gaze of Love is something else."
Thank you, Sadiq, for bringing here these beautiful and profoundly insightful words of Shams At - Tabreez. They are so more valid nowadays than in the time of Shams.
Contemporary people have in a great degree lost their connection with their hearts and its ability to love. Contemporary people are so much centered in their head and mind that the only way they can look at existence and God is through their mind definitions and theories, through the scientific approach of the objectivity, but not through the religious approach of their hearts.
Only heart can feel the Quran as a Love Book. And only heart can recognize the love and beauty of Allah Messengers. Because prophets are not ordinary human beings, they have realized Allah beauty and love in themselves and they radiate this beauty and love all around. While alive these prophets attract like magnet many human hearts around them. After they have gone left this Earth, all we keep from the prophets are records about them. But the alive being is no more among us; the bird is no more singing alive songs. Then even if we put a tape recorder in the bird's cage to reproduce the bird's songs, the flavor of the alive being has gone, the beauty and divine love of the divine being is no more. That is why people tend to misinterpret prophets words after they have gone, that is the reason for people to forget the fragrance of love surrounding the prophets while alive. Only the living being can radiate in full God’s love and mercy or as professor Chittick points it out: Love is “too close to Being Itself, because its too close to Reality Itself, beyond our understanding.“
Therefore it is so important to be in the presence of alive God’s messengers, to remain in their beauty and flowering in order to realize your own divine potential.

 
At 6:35 PM, Blogger Mo'in said...

Dear Sadiq,

Thank you very much for sharing this post. I like it very much.

My attention hung on to the early statement by Shams e Tabrizi:

"The flaw is that people do not look at God with the gaze of Love. They look at Him with the gaze of learning, or the gaze of science, or the gaze of philosophy. The gaze of Love is something else."

Thank you.

Kindest wishes,

mo'in

 
At 7:14 PM, Blogger Aliya said...

Dear James,

You say: "If "there is no true life but God's Life", then the life we experience must be no other that God's Life."
It is true that our life is given to us by God alone. But still our life is not as true as God life till we realize our inner connection with God, till we start living only through Him and for Him. Sufis are correct that a true God life is when one drops his ego, his "me" and its illusion for separateness from Existence and starts living out of the Divine Totality of God and for It. This is called self - realization or enlightenment, or just self - remembering and has nothing to do with the self of the ego, but has everything to do with God inside of us as our inner most reality.
This realization of God inside is to live a true God life and you can reach there only through love. Because God Himself is Love.

 
At 12:13 AM, Blogger Aliya said...

Yes, surely so, James. Our inner connection with God is always within us. Even if we forget Allah, He never forgets us. All we have to do is to remember Him. That is why enlightenment is also called self remembering by Buddha, which means remembering the innermost core of the being.
However, to remember God, to awaken for Him, you can only through ceasing to be in your mind stuff and your old personality.
Awakening for God you flower in a totally new individuality, the authentic man, "insaan kamil".

 
At 6:00 AM, Anonymous Irshaad said...

It's great that you've taken the trouble to transcribe portions of Chittick's speech. I hope you don't mind I've updated my post with a link to your transcription. Many thanks.

- Irshaad

 
At 10:21 AM, Anonymous Sadiq said...

Dear Aliya,
Totally agree with you that the phenomena that people often fail to look at and understand God from the Gaze of Love, from the Perspective of Love.

Dear James,
Thanks for your sharing. First of all, its not my inference, its Professor Chittick's presentation. But yes I do agree on the point, but in order to see its truth one has to, again, look from the vantage point of divine reality, from the top, not from the vantage point of veiled ordinary human perspective or from the bottom.

You asked, 'What kind of life can God grant except "His Life"?' He grants His Eternal Life, but do all human being experience that? We don't, because of our veiled perspective. He grants His Life, and exactly for this reason when described about Christ its said, "surely they killed him not, but it appeared to them like that." For this very reason those who truly walk in the path of God the Quran says, "dont call them dead, they are alive, but you understand not."

When its said, 'everything other than God' is correct for those who continue to see 'things other than God'. and i can assure you my friend, we unworthy ones mostly belong to that category and i won't recommend to be so dishonest to deny that reality, even when it exposes the bankrupcy of our spiritual station.

Dear Mo'in,
I liked the discourse very much as well. "The Gaze of Love" allows our heart to recognize and beauty in manifestation. Praises are to Him for that.

Dear Irshad,
Thank you so much for visiting and I am grateful for your inclusion. May Allah's blessings be with you.

 
At 4:40 PM, Blogger James Souttar said...

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At 9:00 PM, Blogger Cailean Benjamin said...

The comments herein are utterly wondrous.

"There is only One, Unique, Absolute, Infinite Existence apart from which there is not."

"He shows you He is yourself, then bit by bit He shows you how He is all that there is."

"He shows you He is you, then shows you (Himself) that all else is Him."



I am reminded of these two poems ~


A SUFI HYMN TO AWARENESS

Neither subject nor object, neither seer nor seen,
Awareness is a flame which glows into itself.

For those who have the eyes, for those who wish to see,
it opens its heart and shows into itself.

Neither here nor there, its home is nowhere.
Like a wind it blows and blows into itself.

Beginning with each drop of Creation,
it soon becomes a river that flows into itself.

From where does it come and to where does it go?
Like a breath it comes and goes into itself.

To nothing does it submit, 'cause nothing's other than it.
To itself it bows, as it bows to itself.


LOVE

They think love needs an object of love,
a man, a women or a thing.

In their love there are always two,
a lover and a beloved.

They do not know that love is present
only when there is no two.

And that is only possible
when there is no one.

When the lover has gone back
whence she came.

 
At 1:18 PM, Blogger Aliya said...

Dear James,

Knowing internal reality, subjectivity can in no way be compared to the knowledge of outer reality, of the objectivity of the materiality. To know of Earth is flat or spherical you can by having access to information stored by others.
To know about "It is that there is only One, Unique, Absolute, Infinite Existence" you can only by your own experiencing of the Truth. Truth is never second hand, never borrowed by others' quotations or writings about. You, yourself have to become the truth. Or as Bülent Rauf says it: "It must be more than an idea".
Even if somebody tells you the truth of the inner reality, it is his own truth, his own experience and for you it immediately becomes a lie. Because you have not lived this truth yourself, you have not experienced it yet. At the most you can imagine about it or you can philosophize about it. The true encountering of Allah is the most intimate and alive experiencing ever and it can only happen between you and You

 
At 4:46 PM, Blogger James Souttar said...

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At 6:52 PM, Blogger Cailean Benjamin said...

When the appearance of self is dispelled
the Presence of Love is revealed.

or put another way ~

When the illusion of separateness is dispelled
the Light of Oneness is revealed.

~

Love
knows nothing of the lover and the beloved
I or you
the illusion of duality.

~

No inner
No outer
No other
No self

Hereness
Nowness
Oneness
Love

 
At 8:35 PM, Blogger Aliya said...

Dear James,

You say: "However the point that I have been trying to make, Aliya - in these and previous comments - is that there is only ONE Reality. Inner and outer, 'subjective' and 'objective', it is all "He".

This One reality is called God, indeed, or Tao, or No-thingness or many other names. For me this reality is just "isness" or better say it"suchness". Things are the way they are and names are of no importance, because any name will fall short for the indefinable and unknowable. However, this one Ultimate reality, the only true really real Reality is SUBJECTIVITY only, it is the being, within and without. The objects, the objective world is what East has called "maya", illusory. The objective world appears to be, only, and it depends very much on the way you have chosen to perceive it or define it. Or as Hazrat Inayat Khan defines it: "The man filled with the knowledge of names and forms has no capacity for the knowledge of Truth."
You can really know names and forms, the objective world only if you have reached your inner center of being, where is the abode of Allah, the source of all existence, "the One God, the Eternal, the Only Being; None exists save He".(Hazrat Innayat Khan)
It is true that "Withersoever you turn, there is the Face of God" [2:115]. But can you really see this face, James, with your prejudiced mind full of borrowed knowledge? To see the real face of God in each and everything you need the inner eyes, pure and innocent. And you can look through those inner eyes of yours only if you have purified yourself in deep meditations and inner connectedness with your center of being, not before that. And for that you have to "Shatter your ideals on the rock of Truth.", as Hazrat Innayat Khan points it out. Especially when you have so falsified ideals about Sufis. Sufis know very well and have experienced the ultimate enlightenment, the union with the Beloved. That is why they "can be as aware of the Infinite presence of God in the midst of a business meeting as he or she can in a cave in the Himalayas." Referring to your misplaced remarks about you and You, you can know about it only when you have experienced the truth yourself and have become the truth yourself.

 
At 9:06 PM, Blogger Aliya said...

Dear James,

If you happened to be the face of God, you wouldn't have confronted me.
The problem with you, James, is that you have identified yourself with your prejudiced mind full of ideals and beliefs, all mind projections. The real face of God in you is your innermost core being, which I can clearly see, but you, yourself, have neglected. That is what I mean by seeing the real face of God by the inner eyes. When you identify yourself with the instrument God has given you to serve you, your mind, you belittle yourself, you make yourself from infinite and eternal into limited and temporary.
And mind feels always threatened when somebody like me talks to your inner being and tries to awaken you. For mind it means end of his domination. That is why mind feels compelled to confront, to protect itself and its mind stuff.

 
At 10:38 PM, Blogger Aliya said...

Dear James,

I am what ever God wants me to be.
But one thing I keep wondering: Why do you think you are a Sufi?:)
A real Sufi is never full of malice.

 
At 11:53 PM, Blogger Aliya said...

No, James,

I have never claimed Myself capable of awakening You. Awakening is your own authentic responsibility towards yourself.
The same way my enlightenment is my own responsibility and you should not worry about me being enlightened.
As far as my comments in here, they are my own experiencing and sharing of my being with you. When one shares one's conscious being like me, one is not creating any karma for oneself, but acting as a pure mirror of what is in front. You cannot blame me, the mirror, for mirroring what is in front, in your case,it is not even you, but the veil of your mind projections, which my conscious being mirrors. Truth can never be called malice.
But your waitress story can, because you meant it to harm me.
You are not yet aware of a simple law of existence - when you intend to harm, you only harm yourself.

 
At 12:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your discussion has nothing to do with the original post. Both of you are promoting your agendas. One is obsessed with Shah and the other with Rajneesh. It would be better if you would broaden your sources.

AV says, “Authentic Sufism is based on Allah, Quran, and Muhammad”. Anything other than that
is not Sufism.

Ya Haqq! Ya Adl! Ya Salam!

Ya Alam al Huda! Ya Sayfullah! Ya Misbah!
Ya Ta Ha!

AV

AV is hanging on Quran 18:65
AV for AQM-Sufism/Against Sufism w/o AQM
Sufism w/o AQM = Suffocationism (Death/
Spiritual Death

 
At 1:43 AM, Blogger Aliya said...

Yes, "life is telling us" each and every moment, right now and right here. And to remain now and here, you need to remain utterly centered within you, James, utterly and "personally" centered in your individuality, your inner being. To remain a crystallized and centered individuality you can only if you do not project yourself on me (in this particular case) by trying to prove me wrong at any price. I am preaching no special teaching or promoting private agenda, I am claiming neither right nor wrong, I am simply non - dual, though utterly myself, but your ego is bothered. It is bound to be so. When you have not yet discovered your own inner center, when you have not yet completed your being, you feel annoyed by people who know themselves.

 
At 4:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

James,

How to read the Quran?
Read the Quran, don’t just quote it.

In January 2010, you stated in your comments about the Quran,
“Yet, for me, that was the point at which the piece 'lost it'”.

Whether you quote the Quran or you don’t, I don’t care. However, I do emphasis commitment. To find “delight and sweetness” in the Quran, we
need to make commitment to it because mere quotes from the Quran do not mean commitment or convictions. You “lost it” because you merely quote the Quran. I found “delight and sweetness” in the Quran because I am a Committer and a Submitter. Make commitment. Dig deep.

You need to ponder this: “Some people asked a Sufi, “What is the strangest thing you have encountered in your travels?” He told them, “Khidr came to meet me and sought my company, but I was afraid that it would spoil my trust in God alone.” Another Sufi was asked, “Is there anyone here with whom you would be close?” “Yes,” he said. He stretched out his hand to his copy of the Koran and placed it against his heart. “This.” With this meaning they recited,
Your book is my strength; it does not leave my couch, And in it is healing for that which I conceal”. (2)

You need to read The Quran like this:

“Al-Ghazali, in his Ihay, tells about a person who said: I read the Quran but did not find sweetness in it. Then I read it as if I was hearing it from the Prophet, blessings and peace be on him, while he was reciting it to his Companions. Then, I moved to a stage further and read the Quran as if I was hearing it from Jibrail while he delivered it to the Prophet, blessings and peace be on him. Then God brought me to a further stage---I began to read it as if I was hearing from the Speaker”. (1, p. 43).

“Such feeling will imbue you with a delight and sweetness that will make your inner self fully enveloped by the Quran”. (1, 43).

It is time you take Sufism that is alive which is based on Allah, Quran, and Muhammad.

Sufism without Allah, Quran, and Muhammad is dead. That is the reason you have “lost it”.


Ya Haqq! Ya Adl! Ya Salam!

Ya Alam al Huda! Ya Sayfullah! Ya Misbah!
Ya Ta Ha!

AV

AV is hanging on Quran 18:65
AV for AQM-Sufism/Against Sufism w/o AQM
Sufism w/o AQM = Suffocationism (Death/
Spiritual Death


1. Way to the Quran by Khurram Murad, Copyright 1990.
2. Sufi Book of Spiritual Ascent, Translated by Rabia Harris and Edited by Laleh Bakhtiar. (www.jerrahi.org).

 

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